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Shopping carts made of plastic (No joke!) 
17th-Feb-2019 01:52 am
Something's happened here...
Anyone's already seen the latest craze - shopping carts with the basket area entirely made of plastic?
Only the wheel area and their legs that connect to the basket made of metal?

One of those things which make you ask how much the appeals to you personally to use less plastic in life to go easier on the environment are actually meant seriously...
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17th-Feb-2019 02:55 am (UTC)
I don't think I noticed when that happened here. But the entire procedure of shopping is something I'd rather never do.
17th-Feb-2019 03:15 am (UTC)
I got see these when in a neighboring town a store of a particular chain was rebuilt in another place and therefore received new extras and everything.
Made me go like "WTF?!". Didn't think there was a technical way to realize that even...
And ironically the store was reopened at a time, at a few weeks, were the talk about how bad plastic is for human health was pretty big...
17th-Feb-2019 06:54 am (UTC)

Internet shopping is a great thing.

17th-Feb-2019 02:44 pm (UTC)
Doesn't work for groceries.

By the way, I don't think it's too environment-friendly letting all that servers running day and night. Electricity doesn't grow like fruits on trees, you know...
17th-Feb-2019 02:48 pm (UTC)
I buy all of my groceries on the internet. The supermarket delivers most of it on Tuesdays and then at around 6am on Wednesday I get my fresh trout, kippers, duck eggs and rye bread delivered by another company. For other herbs, spices and seeds I use eBay.
17th-Feb-2019 03:19 pm (UTC)
Not a self-evidence of service here.

Btw, as long as you're not disabled or live in a really rural area far away from the next general store anyway, they'd regard it with bewilderment here if you let everything in groceries delivered to your place.

Or you're simply rich and don't want to be seen in between the plebs.

Edited at 2019-02-17 03:19 pm (UTC)
17th-Feb-2019 03:35 pm (UTC)
Haha. No, I’m not rich. I’m just a bottom-rank hospital nurse. The delivery charge for the supermarket is £2.50 a month for up to three deliveries a week. It is cheaper even than the petrol it would use to drive ten minutes to the supermarket and much cheaper than a bus ticket. The delivery charge for the organic fish etc is slightly more expensive at £1.25 per delivery.
17th-Feb-2019 06:06 pm (UTC)
Nope, that's definitely a different price model than they do here (for store chains which do delivery at all, mind you)...

Deliveries can be tied to a certain minimum sum to order (but that may not be much, just 10-15 €, differing between store chains), but then it's a charge for the delivery every time. Also dependent on the chain how much they take. 4, 5, 6 €.
How it is qualitywise with perishable wares (or if they offer them at all for this), I don't know. Never had to do with it, nor knew anybody who ever did.

On the other hand, I must say, I don't guess it's the environment-friendly way either to have all stuff delivered to you privately on the spot (at least as long as it isn't common for other people to use the service too so that one car covers several deliveries)...

Although, I must recognize, if it costs you less than driving to town yourself.
17th-Feb-2019 08:27 pm (UTC)
I never notice cause I hate shopping. Definitely a chore.

But I would say it is done obviously to save on the cost of producing the carts. Do they claim it is better for the environment?
17th-Feb-2019 08:37 pm (UTC)
Cost saying is some reason I considered too.
If I think back to the fight over cheap steel from China which there was a fuzz about last year...

Other than that, I can't come up for a reason why one should start to make those parts of plastic.

They aren't that weight-heavy while pushing around, but seriously, put two bags of potatoes in it or a six-pack of any sort of drinks of your choice and then this thing gets harder to push around again... So, what the heck...?
18th-Feb-2019 09:05 pm (UTC)
The most ecological could be the wooden carts as it couldn't be not sounding strange - the wooden - we are wishing lately and going to save the forests so how we could save them doing everything from wood? But to produce any metal – iron for example (not to mention aluminum) we have to burn much more than the forests - we should burn incredible amount of coal which is very dirty and extra amount of carbon oxide in our atmosphere and it is a question what is more harmful for ecology the metals or the plastics cause we have to count the amount of energy we are spending on making them and their time of working after. The metals are wonderful with melt down them again and again while plastic is much cheaper and have many incredibly different capabilities.
18th-Feb-2019 11:11 pm (UTC)
Over here they had the habit (in GDR times) to radically keep reforesting the woods once they cut anything down, so they could cut trees down again in 30 years (I think they also did research and picked tree sorts which grow big relatively quickly and are modest in cultivation).
And, I guess, this also came after cutting down way too much after the war, after finding the woods empty and gone and no wood available as material to do anything with. So to say, after flat on one's face...

Don't know if any other countries practiced such a model to regrow one's resources, but that could be a model in order to prevent oneself from ecological disaster in this point. (e. g. preventing the spreading of deserts, preventing killing living space of animals, keeping materia alive that produces oxygen to breathe, preventing material to use for human economy from running out)

Plastic, as far as I remember the process of generating it in the first place, is way harder to reuse than metal. Metal - you melt it in a big pot again, do the mixture you want to have and pour it into a new form. Plastic - you need to create a new chain made of monomers via chemical reaction. The latter requiring differing outside circumstances to enforce this process...
19th-Feb-2019 04:55 am (UTC)
"Metal - you melt it in a big pot again, do the mixture you want to have and pour it into a new form. "

Yes, but the energy spent on producing metals is tremendously higher than making plastic, I did not research but the price on both shows it well. There are nowadays the ideas to stop using fuel and use more wind and sun energy but people not counting all the circumstances. Using recoverable fuel and material sources as algae, grass, wood for fuel could be much more economically and ecologically effective but oil companies will always saying it is a bullshit and you shouldn't even try but always buy and buy...
19th-Feb-2019 10:20 am (UTC)
Hm, prices are a wobbly thing... I don't trust these too much anymore these days.
In practice, I'd think that metal is the thing easier to produce.
You just need to heat something up warm enough, that's literally "all" that there is to do. Ways to generate high temperature I would think you can find a couple, while getting differing hydrocarbon compounds to link each other is a more difficult thing to achieve.

Another thing you can do with plastics, of course, is producing such that last for a longer amount of time. You know, not producing lots of these use&throw-away items...
I know there's a huge difference between household items made of plastic made in GDR compared to such from Western production these days.
GDR buckets made of plastic - or a laundry tub to transport washed clothes -, they can make it to turn 30 and 40 years old without showing those signs of becoming porous from too much sunlight. And the plastic is thick!
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